Parallel Universes & the Mandala Effect: An interview with John DeSalvo, Ph.D.


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Do parallel universes exist? Why do certain past historical events seem to have changed the way we remember them? Is this caused by a memory or psychological malfunction, or is there something real happening in our universe that is changing our past history? If so, what is the cause of this? What will this do to the future of our universe and our existence? Could this explain why many people today feel that time is speeding up and also causing an increase in our feelings of déjà vu?

That, and much more, will be presented by John DeSalvo, Ph.D., biophysicist and paranormal and psychic researcher, during his keynote address at 11:00 a.m. Saturday, Nov. 11, at the Minneapolis Holistic Expo at Earle Brown Heritage Center in Brooklyn Center.

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Dr. DeSalvo is the author of 11 books published by Barnes and Noble, Inner Traditions, and other publishers on such topics as Enochian Magic, the Pyramids, the Dead Sea Scrolls, Quartz Crystals and Ancient Crystal Skulls, Spiritualism and Clairvoyance, and the Shroud of Turin. He has appeared on numerous TV and radio shows including “Coast to Coast,” six episodes of “Ancient Aliens,” the “Nostradamus Effect Series,” and “America Unearthed.” He has worked with the Russian and Ukrainian pyramid researchers for almost a decade and was their spokesperson in the West.

He answered questions presented by The Edge about his upcoming keynote talk.

John DeSalvo, Ph.D.

Dr. John, you will be speaking on parallel universes and the Mandela Effect at the Minneapolis Holistic Expo. In brief, what does Mandela Effect mean?
It seems that something strange has been going on in our world. Our past history may be changing from the way we remember it. Is this caused by poor memory, or a psychological mechanism, or does our mind distort or incorrectly remember what really happened? OR is something physically, something real changing our past history in our universe? Is our past history really changing the way we remember it?

This idea of our past history changing came to national attention when people started feeling and believing that Nelson Mandela, the former President of South Africa, died in the 1980s while he was still in prison. Thousands of people swear that he died around this time and, in fact, recall seeing his funeral on TV. But he didn’t die in the 1980s but in 2013, long after he was released from prison. So this phenomenon was named after Nelson Mandela because of the widespread belief in his death in prison by so many.

Was your personal memory different than the actual fact that Nelson Mandela died in 2013?
Yes, definitely, I could swear I remember news that he died in prison in the ’80s, and it was kind of shocking when I came across the fact that this was not true and that he died in 2013. So, yes, my memory was different than what is actually written in our current history.

Why did you research the Mandela Effect?
At first, I didn’t think much of this. I am not a big news person, so I just chalked it up to a bad memory or maybe I was thinking of someone else who was famous that died in prison. But when I found out that when Snow White looked into the mirror and our current history does not say she said “Mirror Mirror on the Wall,” but now “Magic Mirror on the Wall,” I said, “Wait. I am sure ‘magic’ was not in the original as I remembered it as a kid.” So I started to look into this. There are many other examples, which I will discuss in my talk — even one from the Star Wars movie. Once I got hooked on this phenomenon, I wanted to find out what the heck was going on.

Some say the Mandela Effect is a case of collective false memory. How much research did you do on the Mandela Effect and what did you learn from your research?
Yes, that is one possibility and the most likely one that I first thought of. I also read about many other psychological explanations and reasons for this mistake in our memory. Many psychological explanations were convincing, but I started to discover one example after another of our past history changing. I started talking to people and asking them about it, and I was shocked at the number of people who had a different memory of numerous events, and the different memory was always the same.

For example, I didn’t hear of a different phrase for Snow White. If psychological explanations were the reason for the different history memories, there should be more variety of past history for each event, but there wasn’t. So, this got up my interest even more.

What connection is there between the Mandela Effect and parallel universes?
I looked up on the internet some of the other reasons for this phenomenon, and the parallel universe explanation was used by almost everyone who believed in the Mandela Effect. So, I drew up graphs, diagrams, did some simple math, and after studying this and consulting with other colleagues, most of whom thought it was purely psychological, I came to the conclusion this may be part of the explanation but not all of it.

There were too many anomalies that didn’t fit this explanation. The most obvious one is why didn’t everyone experience the change in history and then no one would even be aware of what happened? This bothered me, and I felt this parallel universe explanation did not answer all the questions. Also, in any theory, you would expect it to answer other types of phenomena that you may not have questioned.

As a man of science, what evidence is there that parallel universes exist and how do they affect our everyday lives?
When I started preparing my talk from my initial research, I made up diagrams, graphs, etc., based on the parallel universe explanation, because like you say, as a man of science, a biophysicist, this was a plausible hypothesis even though it didn’t resolve many issues and global questions I had about it. But it seemed the best theory so far, so I improved on what was out there since I noticed many who proposed this parallel universe idea were not scientists, and I wanted to have a detailed scientific description of this.

One of my main interests in physics is super string theory, which postulates the existence of many additional spatial dimensions, so this idea of parallel universes does have a counterpart in ideas in physics. But again, I was plagued by it not explaining certain phenomena if this hypothesis was true.

So, I brought this up to one of my best friends and research colleagues whom I have been working with for some time. We have been trying to decode the Voynich Manuscript (an illustrated codex hand-written in an unknown writing system) and think we figured out what the illustrations may represent — but again, this is preliminary and we want to finish our research before we publish or announce anything. Also, we have been working on trying to decode ancient magical tables written by Dr. John Dee in the 16th century. These have never been decoded and we think we have for some of these.

The person with whom I have been working is James Westwood, a former top National Security Agency cryptologist who also may have been the first to suggest, back in 1985, for the U.S. to look into getting into cyber warfare. He called it “Cyber-Battle” at the time, but that name never took and today it is called cyber war. So you can see he is a brilliant man. He was a Lt. Commander in the Navy and did much intelligence research.

He started to research this with me and we came up with a different model, which I will be discussing in my talk. It may explain the data more accurately. I still have more research to do before my talk, so I will wait to discuss this, as each day we are exploring more ideas and theories. But I will give you a hint. It has to do with a holographic theory of our universe, which has been also proposed, but this one explains the Mandala Effect and takes into account certain things other theories do not.

Why are feelings that time is speeding up and an increasing experience of déjà vu connected to what we are talking about?
It takes diagrams and graphs and some math to explain this but my theory does take this into account and proposes why we feel time is speeding up and why déjà vu is occurring more frequently — and the Mandela Effect could be the cause. I will go over this with my diagrams and graphs during my talk to try to make it very clear why the Mandela Effect could explain these phenomena.

What does your research suggest with regard to the evolution of human consciousness at this time?
To be honest, actually nothing that I can think of. I do believe personally we are entering a period of time where spiritual enlightenment is taking place but some go overboard with this in their imagination. So you have to be careful about these types of claims without evidence.

You have conducted research on the pyramids, the Dead Sea Scrolls, ancient crystal skulls and the Shroud of Turin. What areas of inquiry are you still excited about exploring in the near future, and why?
One of my other best friends whom I have known for decades is Joe Paolella, a former Secret Service Agent to three U.S. presidents, including JFK. After the JFK assassination, Joe was assigned to guard the Presidential limousine. He was alone in the White House garage with it and noticed a bullet hole in the front windshield that penetrated right through it. This was not reported in the Warren Commission report. Joe never told anyone about this for over 40 years except me, and several years ago I asked him if he wanted to go public and he said yes. He came on my radio show and we discussed it.

I will talk about this at my talk, as the JFK assassination interests many people and new documents about it will be released this fall. We have been doing extensive research on this and Joe is coming out with his first book on his life as a Secret Service agent and the Kennedy Assassination — and, of course, our research on the bullet hole. This is one of my projects, and I am also continuing to work with James Westwood on decoding ancient magical texts and the Voynich Manuscript.

What message do you want to leave with those who attend your Keynote talk at the Minneapolis Holistic Expo?
I want people to leave with the idea that we have many mysteries in our universe we can’t explain and are exciting to explore. Also, do not accept everything you hear. There is so much garbage out there, and many people believe in so many ridiculous new age theories and ideas without any proof or data.

As both a paranormal researcher and a scientist, I take the middle road and recommend that to my audience. Be open to different ideas, but be skeptical. Use your critical reasoning, logic and common sense, and don’t believe everything just because it sounds new and unusual.

Speculations are great and they led to great discoveries, but call them what they are, speculations. They are just guesses until we can prove them or have enough data to point to their credibility. It irritates me when people call speculations facts or put them forward as being truth, when in reality they are just speculations and guesses. Of course, the greatest discoveries were made by dreaming and using one’s imagination, but they had to be proven with evidence and data. So dream, speculate, guess and be creative, but know the difference between speculation and fact.

Thank you for taking the time to speak with us. Is there anything you’d like share with our readers that we haven’t spoken about?
Depending on the time I have left for my talk, I would like to take questions. I also want to have a short meditation workshop at the end. I will teach everyone a simple meditation technique, and then I can answer questions about it. Depending on how much time is available, I usually like to have something in my talk of practical spiritual value that you can take home and apply to your spiritual lives.

I love being part of the Edge Life Expos and have been involved for the last five years. It is the best one in the country in my opinion and I am honored to be part of it. Thank you for taking the time to interview me and I hope the readers enjoy my ideas and spiritual concepts.

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Tim Miejan is a writer who served as former editor and publisher of The Edge for twenty-five years. Contact him at [email protected].


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